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For the trans people on my list [Mar. 10th, 2008|01:46 pm]
The American Caliban
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stupid_free points me to lword, where a brainwreck of a conversation about mtf people is occurring. Wow.
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[User Picture]From: eris_devotee
2008-03-10 08:54 pm (UTC)
I do believe that women-only drum circles (that denied transexual males) are, in large part, what inspired Radical Faeries to group together.
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[User Picture]From: substitute
2008-03-10 08:56 pm (UTC)
I know little about trans issues other than what my friends who do know their shit say. But I do like a good disastrous thread.
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From: catamorphism
2008-03-10 09:18 pm (UTC)
"Let me also say that I get just as angry at Female to Male transgenders. I feel, if you are a woman. You have a fucking duty to show the world just how god damned proud you are to be a woman. With the media and society and the WORLD exploting women and degreading and demeaning them, you need to as a woman show the world how strong you are. How proud you are. When you deicde that you want to become a man you are basically slapping women across the nation in the face. You are saying, I would rather die than be a woman, and it makes me sick"

Wow. You know, I was just today thinking about the bit in my transition page where I answer the question, "Aren't you betraying feminism by transitioning FTM?" And I was wondering, well, would anybody ever actually ask me this question other than myself? Well, now I know the answer to *that*.

What an insecure douche. My masculinity takes away your pride in your femininity just like my gay marriage destroys your straight marriage.

Edited at 2008-03-10 09:19 pm (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: substitute
2008-03-10 09:20 pm (UTC)
I agree. Also, I wonder if any Internet Sentence that starts ""Let me also say that I get just as angry at..." goes anywhere useful?

I feel exploted and degreaded.
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From: catamorphism
2008-03-10 09:25 pm (UTC)
Also, I wonder if any Internet Sentence that starts ""Let me also say that I get just as angry at..." goes anywhere useful?

As a friendly editor, let me suggest (to the insecure douchebag) an improvement to that sentence:

"My anger, let me show you it."
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[User Picture]From: jamie_miller
2008-03-10 09:52 pm (UTC)
I had to chime in.
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[User Picture]From: 33mhz
2008-03-10 10:09 pm (UTC)
You need a vagina or at least have to know what it feels like to have one to be a women. Women are women because we can bring LIFE into this world. Women are BORN women. Women go through things that no man could possibly understand.

Who'd have thought that defining a woman by her reproductive ability would go over so poorly in a lesbian community?
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[User Picture]From: daisyhunter
2008-03-10 10:16 pm (UTC)
This is one of those statements where I sit here stuttering, "but, but, but, but..." because there are so many counter arguments I don't know where to begin.
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[User Picture]From: chthonicsiren
2008-03-10 10:19 pm (UTC)
As always, embarrassed to be in that community.
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[User Picture]From: kasheri
2008-03-10 10:23 pm (UTC)
Wow. That is really an impressive bit of idiocy. Just goes to show that just because you're a minority yourself doesn't mean that you know a thing about the issues with which other minorities might contend. Also, stupid comes in rainbow colors!

But it's worth reading just for this one comment: "Every decision I make is influenced by my holy, mystical vagina." Yes!! This is going to be my new response to anyone that questions my findings at work.
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[User Picture]From: sooz
2008-03-10 11:25 pm (UTC)
she's making up for her penis envy :P
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