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hated and then loved [Oct. 26th, 2006|02:20 pm]
The American Caliban
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Some of my favorite art (books, music, food, all of it) I have hated the first time. Some of it is understandable: the shock of the new. Bitter foods, dissonant music, singers with weird voices, idiosyncratic writers. Other things I still don't know why I hated at first. A partial list is below. Heavy on the pop music because, well, I am heavy on the pop music. But for some reason my taste there is fluid and weird. I love everything below but couldn't stand it at first:

Gang of Four
Joy Division
James Joyce
The Mountain Goats
Bill Hicks
Van Morrison
Prefab Sprout
John Coltrane
Neil Young
Thomas Mann

Part of it is just maturing, I think, and not needing everything to be accessible. But I liked bitter, weird, dissonant, and generally obscure crap starting very young. I can't explain those taste changes. Glad I enjoy all those things now.

The list of things I liked and now despise is shorter, more boring, and pointlessly negative so I won't share. Most of them are pop culture that I liked because of some personal context and then realized was shit, or things I enjoyed because I was immaturer and later found the real version thereof.

[User Picture]From: caladri
2006-10-26 09:29 pm (UTC)
Mmm, Prefab Sprout. What was your first song of theirs?
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[User Picture]From: substitute
2006-10-26 09:30 pm (UTC)
I don't remember the first. It might have been "Appetite."
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[User Picture]From: caladri
2006-10-26 09:34 pm (UTC)
See, I think it took "The Sound of Crying" for me to "get it". "If you" "know what" "I mean".
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[User Picture]From: salome_st_john
2006-10-26 09:56 pm (UTC)
Your use "of" quotation marks "makes you" "really" awesome.
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[User Picture]From: obnoxicant
2006-10-26 09:52 pm (UTC)
i still can't stand joy division. i don't know why - it's not like i don't dig the bitter, weird, dissonant and generally obscure crap - i've just never been able to get into them. hmm. maybe i will someday.
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[User Picture]From: salome_st_john
2006-10-26 09:55 pm (UTC)
I'm still working on Joy Division too. And cilantro.
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From: sakkaranoush
2006-10-27 05:48 am (UTC)
me encanta both!
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[User Picture]From: king_felix
2006-10-26 09:57 pm (UTC)
I have yet to make it through As I Lay Dying because I found the beginning so god damned tedious.
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[User Picture]From: kasheri
2006-10-26 11:35 pm (UTC)
Years ago I read an interesting book entitled "Arresting Images" by Steven Dubin. It is an analysis of art that has created controversy. It made me start to think about what art works make me uncomfortable. One is a piece by Sheila Chandra entitled "Woman and Child." At first, I hated it. It is spoken word, which I never care for. It is about a woman who nurses her toddler, and it acknowledges the arousal that can sometimes occur when doing this. It made me very uncomfortable. But, the fact that it made me uncomfortable, made me have to go back to it again and again, to tease out what the piece was forcing me to learn about me. I grew to really like it.
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[User Picture]From: planetdracula
2006-10-26 11:40 pm (UTC)
dude I had no idea you liked the Mountain Goats

haha whoa
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[User Picture]From: substitute
2006-10-27 12:14 am (UTC)


Ha, yes. And in a weird coinkidink that is one of my more recent (this year) conversions.
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[User Picture]From: halfjack
2006-10-27 02:24 am (UTC)
Just yesterday I introduced myself to Gang of Four by picking up the remastered version of Entertainment! I am oh so very pleased -- I'm a little puzzled about how I missed them considering I watched Urgh! about 9 times over three nights when it was in the theatres.
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[User Picture]From: substitute
2006-10-27 02:44 am (UTC)
especially considering you are a Shriekback fan; that's half of Shriekback.
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[User Picture]From: halfjack
2006-10-27 02:56 am (UTC)
I had no idea! I knew the Shriekback/XTC connection but not Gang of Four. Those English are so incestuous!
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[User Picture]From: nosrialleon
2006-10-27 02:40 am (UTC)
Interesting. It's not the things that I hate at first that I come to love the best, so much as the things that I just don't get at first. If I get somthing and am confused by it, or bored by it, I generally keep on with it trying to find the value (which I usually find)
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[User Picture]From: jactitation
2006-10-27 03:04 am (UTC)
WIth you on James Joyce, but I still hate the Mountain Goats and Neil Young.

My version of this list would also include Marmite, soy milk, and Elvis Costello (I know, I know).
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[User Picture]From: substitute
2006-10-27 03:08 am (UTC)
Can't do the soy milk. Can't! Can't! Not sure about Marmite. All I tasted was salt.
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[User Picture]From: jactitation
2006-10-27 05:52 am (UTC)
Marmite is also weird and bitter.
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[User Picture]From: baconmeteor
2006-10-27 01:45 pm (UTC)
I couldn't do soy milk until going to China, where it was sold within 30 minutes of being made and for the first time didn't have that chalky, powdery bitter taste.

For unfathomable reasons, I hated Futurama the first time I saw it.

The Mountain Goats in concert flipped the "like" switch in my brain.
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From: cordiloquy
2006-10-27 04:44 am (UTC)
I think I must have unusually rigid taste...I had a hard time thinking of anything I like now that I hated at first. Offhand I can only come up with Poe (except I was soured on him mostly due to an elementary-school project involving "The Bells," which even upon serious educated grown-up critical reflection I find annoying as hell, so maybe that doesn't count) and Iris DeMent. Weird.
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